host: is ann coulter like that in reef -- real life? how much is an october? guest: ann coulter writes great lines and she enhances her true conservatives beliefs with what are often over the top but very funny unliners, and you know, she's a conserve teufplt she's not a liberal making belief. she's a conservative for the sake of coming up with material. but does she really think liberals are traitors, does she think liberals are ruining america? i don't know. but i think that she often in her humor makes her points, much the way bill maher does on the left with stuff you may think is over the top but really underscores her own political beliefs. host: do you -- you call american value as fungible concept. why? guest: because values to a conservative might be, let's say, getting back to the atkorgs issue, which is always a hot button topic, but a value to a conservative could be that fetus is an unborn child and that's murder and my value dictates, conservatives might say, that we should not kill that child because it's a child. to a liberal, a value could be